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Tuesday, April 22, 2008

Not docetic

A warming piece from the Confessing Reader

If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. (1 Corinthians 15.17)

[T]he resurrection of Jesus is to be thought of as the recreating and restoring of man into the same sphere of real being as that to which we human creatures belong, and is, as such, an historical happening in continuity with the whole historical happening of Jesus, the incarnate Son. If the resurrection is not an event in history, a happening with the same order of physical existence to which we belong, then atonement and redemption are empty vanities, for they achieve nothing for historical men and women in the world. Unless the atonement through the resurrection breaks into, and is real in, our historical and physical existence and continues to be valid as saving power in our earthly and temporal being, it is ultimately a mockery. That is why all docetic conceptions of the risen Christ are quite irrelevant to men and women of flesh and blood, and have no message to offer them in their actual existence. It is for this reason that eschatology, with the heart taken out of it in the denial of a genuine resurrection, is meaningless, and without relevance to the on-going life of the world. Everything depends on the resurrection of the body, otherwise all we have is a Ghost for a Saviour.

Space, Time and Resurrection, Thomas F. Torrance, p. 87

I read Torrance years ago, and was pleased to be reminded of this bit of 'reality-theology'. The very same line of thought could well be used to connect this same Christ to his work as creator in Gen 1, methinks.

4 comments:

Critias said...

Lovely post. It reminds me that our faith is firmly grounded with God's actions being apprehended within our finite experience. There is no 'second' or higher order of God's action in this respect, but they are within the same existential domain as our actions. Ours is a faith of concrete action and response, faith being the conduit that connects us to the future hope because of God's concrete actions in time and space.
I extend this back to creation, where God's revelation of Christ's work (John 1:1-3) is equally in concrete time-space terms that make existential sense to us: God acted, something happened.
To put these words into a differently characterised existence-frame undermines, I think, the fulsomeness and veracious character of God in his representation of self to us

Warwick said...

Eric, thanks for your blog.

I am a practical thinking person (hopefully) probably because my father was a hard-working successful designer of quite extraordinary machinery. It was solid and either worked or it didn't. He had no time for airy-fairy philosophical ideas and for this reason rejected Christianity as a fable for those who need such stuff. He was very much convinced of microbe to man evolution considering it practical and obvious as compared to religion.

He died in the late 60's when i was in France but I am confident he would have had no time for people who claimed to be Christian while not believing in the historical reality and accuracy of their own book. His thinking was- if it's not absolutely real then what's the point? I couldn't agree more.

I think I have inherited his thinking style-it's either fact or not. Docism be damned!

Being practically minded I find it very difficult to follow the twisted logic of the compromisers and liberals. Some of them have woven an amazing belief, an alloy of historical fact and non-fact. This non-fact (i.e.6-day creation) is still truth but not Truth or True Truth??? I have to admit that my mental abilities are sometimes not up to the task of coming to grips with what some believe or why.

I am reminded of speaking on creation at a Blue Mountains church where a very young girl said that when you get off the straight path of Biblical understanding you end up in a bog. Some compromisers with whom I have conversed believe that Genesis is fact but such things within, such as 6-day creation are not. They won't accept that in the 10 commandments God is harking back to an actual creation week of work 6, rest one. Bizarre!

I think the girl was right and the compromisers et al are in that bog, and truly lost. I believe many have gone so far down that 'slippery slope' they can never return to orthodoxy. So sad!

They may even be Christian but it's not the sure and certain hope type of christianity which will influence and hold the red-blooded man or woman.

Surely Genesis is historical fact in that the real reason Jesus really came, really died, and really rose again (that we may really inherit the real eternal heaven) is based upon the historical reality of the events of a real Genesis.

What does the hymn say-on God's solid rock I stand, all else is sinking sand.

Critias said...

This evening I was reading to my son from a book about dinosaurs. He asked if dinosaurs were before people. I said no, God made dinosaurs and people during his creation week. My son replied. Well, on Play School they think that dinosuars were before people. I replied: I don't think so because God tells us that he made them during his creation, same as we were. I think Play School is wrong. To which he replied. I do too.

John said...

Critias,

The ABC are plain wrong on just about everything.