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Saturday, April 18, 2009

Did Darwin Kill God?

Cop this great quote from Science and Values blog: Did Darwin Kill God?

Peter Harrison, an Oxford Professor of theology, has also argued that the Protestant commitment to reading scripture literally actually enabled science to get going because the reformers then read creation literally, and not symbolically as had been the case in the past. Cunningham failed to mention this evidence, nor those Christians such as the Wesley’s and Luther who argued for a literal interpretation of Genesis in history.

We've mentioned Harrison a few times on this blog, but he's always worth another mention, particularly for the historial illiterates who claim that as its not a science text book, the book of Genesis has nothing to do with modern science. People, taking Genesis seriously underpins modern science and is arguably is primarily causal!

15 comments:

sam drucker said...

As usual, Theistic Evolutionists fail to do the necessary research and tend more to give more credit to 'worldly' views than the world deserves, such as when it sets itself up against the Word of God.

John said...

Just imagine if Jensen and his Moorite clan had been running the Church centuries ago: we'd all still be running and not driving cars or travelling in planes and trains.

Their insistence that 6 days does not mean 6 days would have impeded science, according to Harrison.

Healyhatman said...

I like that, Sam. If something goes against the Bible, then it's not researched properly. As if before starting research, they should check the bible : if it has anything to say on the subject, the research can be abanndoned immediately.

Like, demons being the cause of epilepsy maybe? Or bats being birds?

By the way, have any of you ever eaten prawns?

sam drucker said...

Yes, I've eaten prawns. I've even been prawning. Not much of a seafood eater these days just on the basis of taste preference. On Good Friday I eat beef.

Healy, why do you ask? I hope your not going to cite an old covenant law to me.

My statement about doing research was directed at those who profess to trust the Word of God on matters pertaining to life and life history. They should consider what God has to say on these things.

As to those who are not Christians they will do their own thing and accrue the understanding and society their pursuit is capable of delivering.

It is inescapable that unintelligent things will act unintelligently or disorderly unless ordered or arranged to act intelligently/orderly by a higher source. Chance or randomness will only produce randomness - not order.

The Word of God presents one who claims to be the higher source who ordered life and all that makes up life as we know it. The claims of that higher source exceed the claims of others in terms of the order and history of life.

Will such a response invoke a certain vocabulary from you?

Healyhatman said...

So you're claiming that the probability of order arising from chaos is nil? Do you have proof of that or is it just wishful thinking? So, as a small example, the probability of being dealt 5 poker cards, each of them in order, is nil?

And where in the bible does it say all the old testament laws no longer apply? positively curious on that one.

John said...

Oh, Healy, man you really don't understand much. Go away and do some reading of, say, Dembski or Spetner. You probably won't because you are a lazy ignoramus and just waste time. I really feel sorry that you waste your few precious years on a stupid idea that nothing brought forth everything (even the Greeks couldn't be accused of being so dumb!) and that complexity came from nothing, but I don't like it that you come over here and waste OUR time. Go away and grow up young man! You're rude and no where as smart as you think you are.

sam drucker said...

I used the term "randomness" not "chaos". Further, your analogy has no application to the ordering of life and the build up of "information". Statistics alone, as proposed by Shannon, has long been demonstrated as insufficient explanation for the emergence of "information".

On the new covenant, first try Hebrews Chs.8&9 then Colossians 2:16-17 and then look at Acts 10:9 to 11:10.

I am not saying that all laws are removed. There is an order to life that several old covenant laws reflected. To understand you must read the Bible completely with a desire to learn rather than choosing a bit here and there in an attempt to gather ammunition to "throw stones".

neil moore said...

Hi Healy, I'm glad your back on because I been wondering how your mate's Creationist girlfriend is going. Is she still in the light or has she been led down into the valley of death?

Neil

Healyhatman said...

She's not a creationist per se, she's more a member of a church that is officially classified a cult.

neil moore said...

There are a few around. What's this one she is involved with?

Neil

Warwick said...

Darwin surely did not kill God. However his racist beliefs lead to the death of many so called primitive native people.

He wrote "At some future period not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the
savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes . . . will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his
nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as the baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and
the gorilla." [2] Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man, 2nd Edition, New York: A L. Burt Co., 1874, p.178.

History shows that aboriginal graves were dug up, and aboriginals murdered so as to be used in missing-link exhibits.

It also lead to the attrocities carried out upon the 'stolen generation.'

What an evil philosophy and one which evolutionist Dr Michael Denton describes as '...a highly speculative idea for which there is no really hard scientific evidence..' "Evolution a Theory in Crisis. p.358.'

How easy it is to fool even educated people by pseudo-scientific sleight of hand.

Warwick said...

Further to evolution the CMI film 'The Vovage That Shook the World' about Darwinian evolution is about to be released. You can see a short preview on the creation.com/ (no WWW) home page. Above the preview button is 'More info... which is just that, more information on this movie. It includes these comments:

'Renowned Christian and film critic Dr. Ted Baehr, whose Movieguide.org website is consulted by millions, saw the almost-ready documentary in late February. Here are some samples from his enthusiastic written reaction to us:

“Fascinating and insightful … ”

“ … this extremely well-crafted exploration of who Charles Darwin was and what he believed is one of the best-produced documentaries ever made.”

“Not a hatchet job or propaganda piece, it presents Darwin’s story through the eyes of professors and others who admire the man. … presents his humanist, anti-Christian views with dignity and respect, but in the process reveals the flaws, confusion and falsehoods of his theories.”

“This is a beautifully produced program … because of its fairness and clarity … if people watch it with an open mind, it may turn their hearts and minds away from the confusion that is Darwinism toward asking the right questions that can lead them to the truth.”

To see when it will be shown in various areas go to creation.com/calendar.(no WWW)
Left click on 'Search Events.' Scroll down in the 'Select a Tour' box, almost to the bottom, and left click on 'The Voyage That Shook the World film screenings. Left click on 'search' over to the right then scroll down the list of screenings. It is early days and the list is short at the moment.

It is also going to be shown in the US, Canada, South Africa and NZ. Maybe elsewhere.

I would encourage everyone to make the effort to see it. Especially those who are convinced microbe-to man-evolution is a scientific fact.

Ktisophilos said...

Healy's as moronic as ever, raising the boring old "bat is a bird" canard. One more atheopath who relies on English translations instead of doing some basic research into the original Hebrew. The Hebrew translated "bird" is ôph, which simply means any flying creature. The Hebrews classified creatures according to function, not Linnaeanism.

Ktisophilos said...

Some good quotes from Prof. Harrison at The Bible and its literal interpretation have played
a vital role in the development of Western science
.

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