tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post1250634215837823399..comments2023-11-02T22:17:59.419+11:00Comments on Sydney Anglican Heretics: Spirit of Marcion Remains Abroad (Part 1)Erichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04827951993182450846noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-40757065867260320592010-06-11T13:18:38.937+10:002010-06-11T13:18:38.937+10:00Stephan, why do you say "great" when ref...Stephan, why do you say "great" when referring to Adolf Hilgenfeld?<br /><br />Could you just fill me in a little here - who else has used that superlative when speaking of Adolf Hilgenfeld?<br /><br />Neilneil moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04381046852732380906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-18102642289449465742010-06-10T05:04:32.811+10:002010-06-10T05:04:32.811+10:00I am just scouring the web looking to enlighten id...I am just scouring the web looking to enlighten idiotic conversations about Marcion. I have uncovered that the great Protestant New Testament scholar Adolf Hilgenfeld argued that Marcion was a form of the name Mark: <br /><br />http://stephanhuller.blogspot.com/2010/06/hilgenfelds-explanation-of-name-marcion.html<br /><br />If you look at the post that follows I show that there are no examples of people named 'Marcion' before Marcion the heretic. The point is that this has to be an artificially created 'heretical boogeyman' created by someone in Rome in the third century. <br /><br />Just thought I'd pass it along.Stephan Hullerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07712300237611095445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-25406464174231914492010-06-09T09:51:51.414+10:002010-06-09T09:51:51.414+10:00You misquote Scripture at will Beowulf and you ign...You misquote Scripture at will Beowulf and you ignore a good half of the points I made in reply. I asked you on what basis you say that it is wrong to kill the Amalekites.<br /><br />In any case, your attempt to tar the Israelites' action with a Hitler brush is really silly. What you're really saying is that the only moral action the Israelites should have taken is to allow these other tribes to MURDER the Israelites' own children, old people and sick and lame. What a morally noble chap you are! If anyone should be labelled Hitler-like it's you, mate.<br /><br />BTW, Exodus 17:13 clearly states that Joshua defeated Amalek and HIS PEOPLE, not 'some' as you wishfully believe.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496161581317710863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-27700037829783776922010-06-09T09:49:48.425+10:002010-06-09T09:49:48.425+10:00This comment has been removed by the author.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496161581317710863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-35709266276847187702010-06-09T01:02:28.433+10:002010-06-09T01:02:28.433+10:00Beowulf2k8 asks:
Did I say that?
No, I am asking...Beowulf2k8 asks:<br /><br /><i>Did I say that?</i><br /><br />No, I am asking a simple question to help me understand something about you.<br /><br /><i>Because the creator is a lower god.</i><br /><br />personal opinion without substantiation.<br /><br /><i>THe only possible meaning of "god of this world" is the creator of the world.</i><br /><br />You sit quite isolated from 2,000 years of theology and scholarship weightier than your own. The rest of your argument on this point is a 'straw man' of your own making.<br /><br /><i>Because some Amalekites supposedly attacked Israel</i><br /><br />Beowulf2k8 mishandles some passages of Scripture and accepts them as fact to make an argument but when a passage is cited back to refute him Scripture suddenly becomes "<i>supposedly</i>" This is not an edifying argument from Beowulf2k8 but just an argument driven by personal feeling. BTW, where does Scripture mention "<i> some Amalekites</i>"? <br /><br />Sam Druckersam druckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10410050665216630349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-71543220470447172582010-06-08T15:46:51.093+10:002010-06-08T15:46:51.093+10:00"Beowulf2k8, do you believe mankind, ie human...<i>"Beowulf2k8, do you believe mankind, ie humanity, is just matter and has no spirit?"</i> (sam drucker)<br /><br />Did I say that?<br /><br /><i>"As to 'the creator of this world has blinded you' please look again at the version of the Bible you have in your possession. At 2 Cor 4:4 it should have a lower case 'g' for the word 'god'"</i><br /><br />Because the creator is a lower god.<br /><br /><i>"which means Paul and the Bible translators want us to understand that the being spoken of here is not the Creator but a false god (perhaps Satan) who has captured the minds of those of whom Paul is speaking about"</i><br /><br />THe only possible meaning of "god of this world" is the creator of the world. If the phrase refers to Satan then it means Satan is the creator. Compare 2 Sam 24:1 and 1 Chr 21:1 which attribute the same action one to Yahweh and the other to Satan. But who are the people that this "god of this world" is seeking to blind? The Jews in context mostly. If the Jews are Yahweh's special people it makes sense that he would blind them to keep them from defecting to the worship of Jesus Chrestos. But in a monotheistic scenario, what sense does it make for the god of 'orthodoxy' to allow his own special people to be blinded? What intolerable cruelty.<br /><br /><i>"Beowulf conveniently “overlooks” the following passages that explain why God took such a hardline on these bastards. These guys actually started the fighting."</i> (John)<br /><br />Because some Amalekites supposedly attacked Israel at some point that gives them the right to wipe out all of them? The whole nation? Commit genocide? My God! John, are you Hitler reincarnate? Or are you just Himmler?<br /><br /><i>"Atheists good without God?"</i> (neil moore)<br /><br />We need God the Father, the good God, the better God, not Yahweh the god of this world and god of genocide. Yahweh gives moral principles only to contradict them. "Thou shalt not kill"->"Go kill all the Canaanites; show them no mercy." By this he proves himself to be a devil and not the true God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-90171313148587200852010-06-08T00:42:42.939+10:002010-06-08T00:42:42.939+10:00Atheists good without God? They don't act like...Atheists good without God? They don't act like it.<br /><br />Neilneil moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04381046852732380906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-14796466002041964542010-06-07T09:49:29.428+10:002010-06-07T09:49:29.428+10:00Cherry-picking by Beowulf. Not exactly what one co...Cherry-picking by Beowulf. Not exactly what one could call an academically-rigorous project.<br /><br />Beowulf conveniently “overlooks” the following passages that explain why God took such a hardline on these bastards. These guys actually started the fighting.<br /><br />Amalekites: “Remember what Amalek did to you on the way as you were coming out of Egypt, how he met you on the way and attacked your rear ranks, all the stragglers at your rear, when you were tired and weary.” (Deut 25:17-18)<br /><br />Amorites: “The Israel sent messages to Sihon king of the Amorites, saying, “Let me pass through your land. We will not turn aside into fields or vineyards; we will not drink water from wells; but we will go by the king’s Highway until we passed through your territory.” But Sihon would not allow Israel to pass through his territory. So Sihon gathered all his people together and went out against Israel in the wilderness, and he came to Jahaz and fought against Israel.” (Numbers 21:21-23)<br /><br />Ammonites: “Moreover the people of Ammon crossed over the Jordan to fight against Judah to fight against Judah also, against Benjamin, and against the house of Ephraim.” (Judges 10:9)Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496161581317710863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-62652256208379594402010-06-07T08:37:04.563+10:002010-06-07T08:37:04.563+10:00I'm a bit confused Beowulf.
On whose basis a...I'm a bit confused Beowulf. <br /><br />On whose basis are you saying that it's immoral to kill, say, the Amalekites?Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496161581317710863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-60443631517334046012010-06-06T20:46:50.098+10:002010-06-06T20:46:50.098+10:00Beowulf2k8 has not or chooses not to grasp what I ...Beowulf2k8 has not or chooses not to grasp what I have said about mankind being cut off from the author of life and all that flows from that. <br /><br />Perhaps Beowulf2k8 will answer this question before I take it further. Beowulf2k8, do you believe mankind, ie humanity, is just matter and has no spirit?<br /><br />In the second comment posting, Beowulf2k8 said: <br /><br />"<i>But sadly as Paul says, the god of this world has blinded you by veiling the gospel with the veil of Moses, the Old Testament. (2nd Cor. 3:13-4:4) Yes, the creator of this world has blinded you so that the glorious light of the gospel of Jesus Chrestos cannot shine to you.</i>"<br /><br />Beowulf2k8 has a little trouble understanding the Bible. Apostle Paul mentions the veil worn by Moses as an illustration of a similar type of covering which prevented the Jews, post Incarnate God, seeing the truth of the new covenant revealed in Jesus Christ.<br /><br />As to "<i>the creator of this world has blinded you</i>" please look again at the version of the Bible you have in your possession. At 2 Cor 4:4 it should have a lower case "g" for the word "<i>god</i>" which means Paul and the Bible translators want us to understand that the being spoken of here is not the Creator but a false god (perhaps Satan) who has captured the minds of those of whom Paul is speaking about from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Jesus Christ.<br /><br />Sam Druckersam druckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10410050665216630349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-17974945435654639172010-06-06T12:27:14.820+10:002010-06-06T12:27:14.820+10:00But sadly as Paul says, the god of this world has ...But sadly as Paul says, the god of this world has blinded you by veiling the gospel with the veil of Moses, the Old Testament. (2nd Cor. 3:13-4:4) Yes, the creator of this world has blinded you so that the glorious light of the gospel of Jesus Chrestos cannot shine to you. Because you are blinded by the creator of this world, you do not know "the God who said, 'Let light shine out of darkness,' [when he sent Chrestos into the world] who has shone in OUR hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of [the better] God through the face of Jesus Chrestos." (2 Cor. 4:6)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-5353667357567198732010-06-06T12:19:59.575+10:002010-06-06T12:19:59.575+10:00Israel's relationship with Yahweh caused them ...Israel's relationship with Yahweh caused them to become a tool of genocide and to be hated forever more. Yahweh screwed them over. That's why later in their history they kept defecting to Baal worship. Who can blame them? When your god doesn't really love you but only wants to use you to murder off the Moabites, Ammorites, etc. then you might as well ditch him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-63046170627459997022010-06-05T23:13:19.361+10:002010-06-05T23:13:19.361+10:00Israel had earlier declared they would leave all e...Israel had earlier declared they would leave all else behind and follow the Lord God and his commandments for living in right relationship. They were to be a special people set aside to the Lord God.<br /><br />They accepted this relationship as best for them. To be in right relationship with God brought blessing for he is the author of life of all that is. To be outside of relationship with God is to be outside of life and for someone to arise who would lead the people out of relationship with God was a serious offence for the damage it did to lives.<br /><br />That may seem hard for people in our society to accept. Thankfully, God in the Perosn of Jesus Christ satisfied all the requirements of the law of God. Those who commit acts against God have a mercy of laying their offences on Jesus Christ, seek forgiveness through him and receive him as Creator, Lord and Saviour. They receive forgiveness and are adopted as 'sons' of God and receive all the blessing which flow from such a relationship.<br /><br />To ignore or deny Jesus Christ ignore and deny God, the author and sustainer of life. They will be shut off from life sooner or later.<br /><br />I have been among the worst of offenders and am mighty grateful to receive forgiveness and relationship with God whose love is greater than I could ever imagine. <br /><br />I wish that Beowulf2k8 could also have what I have.<br /><br />Sam Druckersam druckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10410050665216630349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7649826198961930411.post-14406701445278642792010-06-05T16:58:27.273+10:002010-06-05T16:58:27.273+10:00"Such a poor state of health resembles the li...<i>"Such a poor state of health resembles the life of ancient Israel when it failed to heed the word of God recorded by Moses and spoken by the prophets."</i><br /><br />Because obviously following Moses (which results in comitting genocide and killing your family members if they try to leave Judaism per Deuteronomy 13 and murdering every religious teacher who opposes the Torah in any way, again per Deuteronomy 13) obviously leads to such a great state of health. (sarcasm)<br /><br />You need to read my blog post "The Torah is an anti-Semitic book."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com